Updated: Oct 7, 2021
We all know the first step to success is just showing up. But HOW we show up matters. Life and Leadership coach Micha Goebig (go_big_coaching) is here to help us come out of the shadows and step into our authentic authority in all areas of our life.
1:00 - Authentic Visibility
5:00 - Why "back to normal" isn't good enough
12:30 - Learning to ask for and accept help
15:00 - The only boundaries you're in charge of are your own
16:30 - Every yes is a no to something else
17:00 - Honor your personal time
19:15 - Micro-dosing self-care
21:40 - Follow your curiosity
29:30 - Not everybody thinks like you (and that's a good thing)
Learn more: https://www.michagoebig.com/
Adrienne MacIain 0:03
Hey everyone, welcome to the That's Aloud podcast. I'm your hostess Dr. Adrienne MacIain. And today we're here with Micha Goebig, like, "Go big or go home." Please introduce yourself.
Micha Goebig 0:15
Hi Adrienne! Thanks for having me. I'm Micha Goebig, founder and CEO of Goebig coaching, as the name invited that.
Adrienne MacIain 0:25
Micha Goebig 0:26
I am a Life and Leadership coach, I primarily work with my clients on authentic visibility and confident presence. Most of my clients are women in tech. That's also also due to the fact that I'm in Seattle. I'm also a writer, I'm a published author. I am the owner of a boutique communications agency for the German luxury car--mostly for the German luxury car industry. Couple of other companies. Yeah. And I've been in the US in Seattle for eight years now. Very happy here.
Adrienne MacIain 1:13
I'm really interested in this concept of authentic visibility, can you please tell us a little bit more about what that means and how you got into that.
Micha Goebig 1:24
So visibility has always been a topic for me, and I pushed it away a long time, a lot of times. So I grew up in a smaller town and my family, everybody was highly visible. So my default, I was highly visible with the rest of them, without actually doing anything for it. And somehow, that led me into a field where suddenly I was completely invisible, doing translations and editing, I'm very, very good at these things. I'm a very good writer, I'm very good translator/editor. But it's, it's total invisibility, right, you suddenly... I'm a good speech writer, I suddenly wrote speeches and presentations for other people, despite the fact that I actually do like public speaking, I love it. And it took me a long time to realize also that I was, for instance, imitating my dad, when I did public speaking, because I thought this is how you do it. So there are a lot of different steps involved in my visibility journey, and today, I'm a lot more confident about it, I I've always been self assured, but it's very different than letting your authentic self show up out there. And I think that's something that many women struggle both in their professional lives, to a certain extent, also in their private lives because of the comparison culture we're dealing with. And then also, for those who have a business that requires an online presence, or not requires, but that might benefit from an online presence there too. And that's all these things I like to work on with my, with my clients.
Adrienne MacIain 3:20
Yeah. So, I love that idea. It's so interesting, just recognizing the difference between visibility and authentic visibility, you know, showing up kind of loud and proud as your authentic self, not just showing up and being loud.
Micha Goebig 3:37
Exactly, exactly. And that is a learning that took me quite a long time. All the it took me, all the detours through: all right, do the coaching training, work on my negative self-talk, perfectionism... and it all fell a lot more into place. When I realized that in the end, the big umbrella for me is showing up authentically, not just showing up
Adrienne MacIain 4:07
I can really relate to the idea of being a writer for somebody else. I was a content writer, and so I know exactly what you're talking about, that it is this interestingly invisible space where you're kind of getting into somebody else's voice and you know, saying what you think they would say. It's very, it's... not everybody has had that experience, I think.
Micha Goebig 4:26
Mm hmm. I wrote a novel in a field that I don't even read. So again, again, I mean, yes, you have your name there ,I had my name on the cover. But it wasn't literary fiction or mystery thriller, those things that I actually read, it was rom com.
Adrienne MacIain 4:50
Interesting. So, let's dive into the first question here. So, what do you think is the story the world isn't getting?
Micha Goebig 5:04
I think the story the world isn't getting right now. I mean, fortunately, many people are getting it, but not enough, that back to normal isn't good enough.
Adrienne MacIain 5:16
Mmmm. Sing it sister. Tell us more.
Micha Goebig 5:19
It's really, the normal we had and that we lost last year. What is not good enough is to just go back to normal. I think that that is something... there are several aspects to it. On the one hand, for me, it's the nature of things, I think Mother Earth has shown us the middle finger. And right now we have a vaccine, which feels like outsmarting nature. But if we don't learn our lesson, we will not. I think we know that we are not outsmarting nature, we a part of it. That's one thing. The other thing is on a societal level. Here in the US, I've seen more of it. Like, especially here in Seattle. I've seen more of it. But there's still not enough discourse on the topics like that, on diversity topics in general. And I think the last gender gap study said that women lost 19 years with the pandemic. 19 years, it's a setback of 19 years. And so I think we really need to have a very, very different conversation about how we are bringing women back to work and empowering them. Because we have seen that everybody can work from home now. Not everybody, but in certain professions. So empower people, let them let them choose what works for them.
Adrienne MacIain 6:55
Yeah, I think you're absolutely right, that work from home is especially empowering to women. It's one of those things where a lot of the time, you know, if you're a parent, you are the parent that is expected to be the parent on duty. And so it's much easier if you can work from home at least some of the time and have a flexible schedule.
Micha Goebig 7:17
Right. And I mean, I did suddenly get emails from certain people at like, 4am or 11pm. That's okay, if that's the time that works for you. That's different, right? And I think a lot of people have learned what works for them during this weird time.
Adrienne MacIain 7:35
Yeah. And I think there has been this really unprecedented openness to new ways of doing things, which was long overdue. We've been doing things the same way basically, since you know, the the Industrial Revolution,
Micha Goebig 7:49
Almost yeah, pretty much.
Adrienne MacIain 7:52
Now and in this was created in a system where you basically had, you know, a servant, your wife, working for you doing all this stuff at home, so that you could have this 40 Hour Workweek. That 40 Hour Workweek doesn't work as well when both parents are working.
Micha Goebig 8:10
Exactly, exactly. There's so many points here where we can start really making a huge difference.
Adrienne MacIain 8:21
Yeah, absolutely. I completely agree. I think we need to not, you know... going back to normal, I think, not only is it not good enough, it's like: why? It wasn't really working for us in the first place, why would we do that? Let's take this opportunity to create something new, create something better. So you said: if we don't learn our lesson... What do you think the lesson was?
Micha Goebig 8:48
I think, in general, the lesson has been really clearly phrased already by Greta Thunberg and that scene of very young people: We are not the master of nature, we are a part of nature. And we cannot just go do whatever we want. And that is something that... respect for our environment is clearly not not a driving force for most countries. And many, many people.
Adrienne MacIain 9:28
Love that word, respect. I think so many people say, oh, I love nature. But do you respect nature? Real love has to be rooted in respect, I think.
Micha Goebig 9:39
Yeah, yeah. Agreed.
Adrienne MacIain 9:42
So tell us a little bit about your journey in the year 2020. How did that... what obstacles did you overcome, and what gifts did you get from that year?
Micha Goebig 9:52
I actually had a pretty good year, after more than the first couple of weeks. I was of course as shocked, disappointed, scared as everybody else. But I realized very quickly that I was in a very privileged position. We had just--my husband and I, and the dog, had just moved from one of those loft style downtown places to a regular, spacious two-bedroom place. So in that loft-style place, I don't know what we would have done. But so we were already in a place where, yeah it's still very close, but not as close as many other people. We both could work from home. So that was, that was a gift. So we were not, we didn't have the existential voice that came into play for many people. I personally was also not really worried about myself, because I just totally knew: respiratory tract, that's not my weak point. I just really knew I would of course do everything that was supposed to be done. But I wasn't afraid for myself. I was afraid for my family in Germany, which I haven't seen in over two years. That's that's still a weird, weird thing. That disconnect. But then I actually settled in quite well and saw benefits like, oh, I don't have 15 people in my workshop, I have 50, because it's now a webinar, or things like that. Which I found at least interesting. I still, I still miss the personal touch, but I found it really interesting. And my big change for for 2020 was actually not the pandemic, my big change was that I in September, I broke my leg. And not only did I break it, I completely shattered it, like both bones in my lower leg plus the ankle. It was like in 23 pieces. So I have a lot of hardware in there now. So I couldn't walk for three months.
Adrienne MacIain 12:07
How did you do that??
Micha Goebig 12:09
I just stepped off a curb. Like I wish I wish I had an interesting war story. I just walked the dog, stepped off the curb.
Adrienne MacIain 12:17
I have heard that from so many people: I just completely shattered my ankle, shattered my leg, just stepping off a curb. Careful out there, people! Watch those curbs.
Micha Goebig 12:27
Yeah, curbs, curbs are dangerous.
Adrienne MacIain 12:31
Got to regulate those things. All right.
Micha Goebig 12:33
And that really taught me a lot about slowing down, and how much I can delegate?
Adrienne MacIain 12:41
Micha Goebig 12:43
So that was that was a huge lesson. Not that I'm completely done with it, but it's still a work in progress.
Adrienne MacIain 12:53
What advice would you give those listening around delegation?
Micha Goebig 13:01
If you think you can maybe delegate something, that means you definitely can.
Adrienne MacIain 13:08
I love that.
Unknown Speaker 13:09
And then probably double that. And interestingly enough, our businesses don't falter when we take sick days or vacation or delegate to other people.
Adrienne MacIain 13:28
You should always only be doing what you only can do.
Micha Goebig 13:32
Yep. And I mean, that's, that's at least that is always a good goal, right? Because there are always times where you end up doing other things, but know that you want to find the next person to outsource that again, to delegate that to.
Adrienne MacIain 13:49
Yeah, I mean, I think sometimes we feel like we're, you know, burdening other people or we're wimping out by you know, giving things up. Just remember other people have gifts that they want to give too. You can't be selfish.
Micha Goebig 14:03
Yeah yeah, totally. I mean, we all I used to do that in my workshops when it was in person that I would, at a certain point ask people "Who of you likes to help others?" And of course, pretty much everybody raises their hand. Of course, of course, I'd love to help others. "Okay. Are you asking for help too?" Like, okay, how about you, we think help is you doing the other person a favor, because, quite honestly, you benefit when you can help someone. It benefits your confidence. You feel good about yourself, you've done something nice. It just, it's a very good thing. So asking for help is doing something nice for others in a way.
Adrienne MacIain 14:53
I think you're absolutely right. That took me a while to figure out but once I did, it really changed everything for me.
Micha Goebig 15:00
And also, other people's boundary issues are not your problem. I mean, you can make it a problem and we all do too often. But if you can say no, if you ask someone and the person cannot say no, because they have boundary issues that's on them not on you for asking.
Adrienne MacIain 15:23
Yeah. Can you say more about that? What would a boundary issue constitute?
Micha Goebig 15:30
You know, I used to, when people asked me to volunteer my time, I always used to say yes. Especially, I'm sure you know exactly what I'm talking about, when you work for yourself. And there are certain things that may be paid by the hour. So that's kind of a price you have for your time, but oh, you have to do all these things anyway, that are not directly revenue-related somehow. Okay, so you might as well volunteer your time here and there when people ask. And, and that is that is something I had to learn. First, it was an older entrepreneur telling me: Are you really standing at a bake sale, when you could easily make a lot more money in that time and then just donate the money? Is that bake sale really about community? And I'm like: no.
Adrienne MacIain 16:32
No. I always love to say every yes is a no to something else. And often it's a no to something that you don't even know is an option yet. It hasn't even presented itself.
Micha Goebig 16:43
Exactly. Exactly. So one of the sentences I've heard, I actually have it on a post-it note around here, it's like, for certain things, "I am a gracious no for now."
Adrienne MacIain 16:55
I love that.
Micha Goebig 16:58
That's not like the total: no. Just like, for right now, I'm a gracious no.
Adrienne MacIain 17:04
Beautiful. What other advice would you give the, especially the women, listening today?
Micha Goebig 17:12
As far as boundaries go, I would say put the dates with yourself on your calendar, really schedule them, because that's the only way you will always always something will always come up. And it'll take priority. And I mean, true. I'm not saying that when you get a call from your school, because there's something going on with your kid. You should prioritize that, that's different. But a lot of stuff just looks important. Looks urgent. And in reality, of course, it could easily wait. And so something I don't know what it is you enjoy, for me, I have a gym membership and a Pilates studio. And I schedule like two or three weeks out. There might be still changes. But I put the classes I mean to take on my schedule. And they are actually on my work schedule. Because that way, nobody can book those slots.
Adrienne MacIain 18:14
You've got to keep that stuff sacred. It's really true. And I think it's it just makes it easier: if somebody says to you, "Oh," like, "can you do it at this time?" Like, "Oh, no, I have something scheduled for that time." You don't even have to tell them what it is.
Micha Goebig 18:26
You don't have to tell anybody!
Adrienne MacIain 18:28
No, yeah, you don't owe anybody an explanation. Your time is yours. You own it.
Micha Goebig 18:33
I actually, yes, my emails are getting way shorter these days. Because I used to always say, "Oh, sorry, I can't do that, because...." and now I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, they don't need to know. "Sorry, I can't do that. Does another time work? Or I can I can point you towards someone who can help you." But not why.
Adrienne MacIain 18:54
Absolutely. Yeah. The other big shift I've tried to make is going out of apology and into appreciation. So instead of saying "I'm sorry, I can't make it." You know, "I really appreciate your flexibility around this. That date's not going to work for me."
Micha Goebig 19:07
Yep. Yep. That's a good one.
Adrienne MacIain 19:09
Yeah. It really changes things, at least in my, you know, in my heart.
Micha Goebig 19:15
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, those are the things where we always have to experiment and then feel. For a lot of women especially it starts with super tiny steps. I always, jokingly call it micro-dosing self care. But it's really like, I mean, if let's say if you have two toddlers at home, and you have this idea, because your best friend does it that you should go to three yoga classes, you're probably going to fail and beat yourself up, that you're not doing it, right? So that's where the micro dosing is like, alright, we have a social agreement that when you use the bathroom, you close the door behind you. That's where nobody checks. If you take two minutes, or four, that's your time to take a couple of deep breaths. Or maybe it's even your time to do a sun salutation or something, right? So, little things, try to find something that works for people just so that they really, really learn again, to put themselves first. Like oxygen mask first type of thing.
Adrienne MacIain 20:32
I had a client who was really struggling with this, and just having such a hard time kind of scheduling in time for herself. And so I suggested she was also really embarrassed about the idea of putting self care on her calendar, because she has an assistant, and she didn't want her assistant to get judgy about it. And I get that I get that. And so I suggested she call it PT. kind of sounds like Physical Therapy, but it's Personal Time.
Micha Goebig 20:54
Yeah, yeah. Could be Physical Therapy, could be Personal Trainer. Looks very active. PT. I like that.
Adrienne MacIain 21:02
And you can do whatever you want with that time. Because it's your time.
Micha Goebig 21:08
Yep. Yeah. I love that. PT. I like that. I'll use that.
Adrienne MacIain 21:13
Yeah! Feel free. Feel free. Absolutely. So yeah, you, you're so inspiring. And you've just done so much. And what I love is how you're giving so many of your gifts at the same time. What advice would you give to those out there who are kind of struggling with like, but I don't know what I should be doing with my time.
Micha Goebig 21:38
I would say that's actually... Elizabeth Gilbert: follow your curiosity. Because if people if people are stuck, because they don't really know what they should be doing, then they are following someone else's agenda. Right? And that doesn't feel good, and they know it. And that's why they are stuck, and don't know what they should be doing, because they don't want to follow other people's agenda. And somewhere, somewhere deep inside, they know that. Because they're shoulds. Should goals are really, they suck. And mean should goals are the ones that we set on New Year's Eve. And by February, we're totally over that. But because they're just like, those very uninspiring things. So I think that follow your curiosity is really a big deal. What interests you right now. And for some people that might go down very deep into, it doesn't have to be a rabbit hole, it can be expertise, right? for other people who are multi-interested multi-passionate, there might be a time when you need, when it really serves you to give yourself permission to chase the shiny objects, just to get that experience, just to figure it out. I mean, I am inattentive ADHD and that shiny object hunt is real for me. It's totally real.
Adrienne MacIain 23:14
Micha Goebig 23:15
Yeah, exactly. Like my dogs in the park. But I do have a big why. And I have a couple of guideposts. And at least I can, that helps me to sort out stuff that totally doesn't fit. And other things that go on my list. And I'll review every once in a while, or I allow myself on the weekend to dip into it, but then come back to what really is my passion or what really keeps my energy level up. I really mostly look at: what brings my energy up. That's my very clear physical indicator.
Adrienne MacIain 24:02
Yeah, I would say a strength isn't necessarily something you're really good at. It's something that gives you energy.
Micha Goebig 24:07
Yeah, yeah. Because we are all very good at things that don't inspire us at all, right?
Adrienne MacIain 24:12
Micha Goebig 24:13
I mean, I'm very good at folding laundry. Looks like in a store. Not what I would call a talent I want to build on. Not a superpower.
Adrienne MacIain 24:28
So where's your curiosity right now; where are you being pulled right now?
Micha Goebig 24:33
So apart from the the work I do, I mean, generally my curiosity is with people and individuals I meet, right so we're, do we connect, for instance? But right now, my big point of curiosity is how far we can go to really advocate the cause of women in the world. Like, is there a way to do something like the Paris Climate Agreement for women's empowerment? And we're having a lot of conversations around that. And what is what is that quote, we always overestimate what we can do in a year and underestimate what we can do in 10. So that's something I'm really looking into: what are the levers that would make a huge difference? Just like the key levers?
Adrienne MacIain 25:36
That's awesome. So how did you get into this business? What's your story there?
Micha Goebig 25:45
Oh, my background, which I talked a little bit about before was mostly in the German luxury car industry. That's a very, very male dominated industry.
Adrienne MacIain 25:57
I can imagine.
Micha Goebig 26:00
And I think the focus is still--I don't want to talk too much about how it is today, because I've been gone for a long time. But the focus was never on women as customers either. It was really very, very much an old boys club game, or young boys club game. And when I came to Seattle, almost 10 years ago now, and made friends and of course, it's Seattle, there are a lot of people, a lot of women I met work for the names that come to mind for everybody. And the stories you start hearing are exactly like the stories you heard 20 years ago in the car industry, or in the construction industry. Those those very male dominated industries, just maybe a little more passive-aggressive. Not as outspoken. And that made me very angry. And I like anger as a driving force. I'm kind of a big fan of the positive power behind anger. And I had done my coaching training still back in Germany, but I had only dabbled in business and career coaching. Very, very... not on the personal level. And when I moved to the US and gave it some time, then I realized, oh, no, the tools are the same anyway, and I'm really more interested in: what really lights me up? Is this a more holistic perspective on how people can show up as authentic leaders, how they can make a difference in the world, in these things and have a life they actually enjoy instead of just coping.
Adrienne MacIain 27:47
What would you say are some characteristics of authentic leadership?
Micha Goebig 27:53
I would... I'm German enough to lead this with dissent. Frankly, I'm coming from a very dissent-forward culture. So of course, that's a huge difference. And I feel that people underestimate how much they can show up as leaders by just saying: I don't agree. And then I very strongly believe, in that context I very strongly believe in the concept of kind of a work family. So you may not agree with everybody, and you may sometimes just not even like everybody, or one person, that much, but you have each other's back. I think having having having each other's back is a huge part of authentic leadership, because that's where trust and confidence really lies. And empowered people.
Adrienne MacIain 28:57
It seems like you would have to kind of set the--lead by example, a lot, you know, kind of put yourself out there vulnerably like, this is me, this is who I am, like you said, dissent. Even when you disagree, even when it's not a popular opinion. Really get it out there.
Micha Goebig 29:13
Adrienne MacIain 29:15
Awesome. So what would you say is kind of the biggest takeaway for everybody today before we transition into my favorite little exercise that I like to do. If they walk away with this and nothing else, what do you really want them to get out of this?
Micha Goebig 29:32
I think I've said a couple of things that are maybe not super intuitive for everybody, like the positive power of anger or something, or the dissent. So maybe the thing you want to consider when you look at another person is that this person doesn't think like you do. We always think that people think alike. Because we have our bubble, most of us. And those people do think relatively similarly. But people think differently. And there's more perspectives than black and white. There's a lot of, not shades of gray, but yeah, there's a lot of shades of different colors in between.
Adrienne MacIain 30:14
And respecting that diversity and recognizing that, you know, because they think differently, they can show you a new perspective, and vice versa.
Micha Goebig 30:22
Exactly. There's always something you can learn.
Adrienne MacIain 30:24
Absolutely, that's wonderful. Anything else?
Micha Goebig 30:28
I would say that's plenty.
Adrienne MacIain 30:30
Fantastic. Okay. So I'm going to take us into my favorite little exercise here. So I'm going to have you close your eyes.
Micha Goebig 30:37
Adrienne MacIain 30:38
I want you to breathe in colored light. And just tell me after you breathe it out what color it was.
Micha Goebig 30:50
Adrienne MacIain 30:52
Awesome. Do it again and tell me if it's the same or different.
Micha Goebig 31:05
There's some purple involved, mostly orange, but there's a purple involved.
Adrienne MacIain 31:09
Okay, so we got some creation energy and some nice third eye, intuitive energy going on there. That's wonderful. So now I'm going to have you keep your eyes closed. If that's okay. No problem, no problem at all. And so I'm going to wave a magic wand over here. And once I do, everything that you deeply desire will come to pass right here in this moment, and I want you to tell me the first thing you see in this perfect ideal world. Okay, wand waved. What do you see?
Micha Goebig 31:42
A lot of happy people on a meadow in Italy.
Adrienne MacIain 31:45
Oooh, that sounds amazing! What can you smell there?
Micha Goebig 31:53
Probably the wine in the glasses more than the meadow.
Adrienne MacIain 31:59
Yeah, that sounds really nice. Have a glass of wine.
Micha Goebig 32:03
In the sun. Yep. Yep. I don't always drink, but right now I do so. Yes.
Adrienne MacIain 32:11
So you can feel the sun...
Micha Goebig 32:13
The sun. The soil smells different in a country where there's that much sun.
Adrienne MacIain 32:20
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, breathe that in. And I want you to take a sip of that wine. And this is the best wine you have ever tasted.
And what can you hear?
Micha Goebig 32:51
A lot of conversations and laughing. Different languages. And birds.
Adrienne MacIain 32:57
Now, a woman comes up to you. And she's got this look on her face where she's just, she's glowing with gratitude, you can see that already. And she comes up to you, and she says, I just want you to know that you've completely changed my life. And she tells you this incredible story of how you've completely helped her transform her life. She now owns her time. She's authentically herself. She's showing up as herself. She's feeling like a leader. And she just wants you to know that this is all because you took that risk to make a change in your own life. And I want you to just feel that for a moment. Tell me what it feels like.
Micha Goebig 33:45
Fabulous. Absolutely awesome. Strong, really strong. A lot of a lot of high energy.
Adrienne MacIain 33:53
Yeah. And so I want you, on this vineyard, this amazing, beautiful vineyard that you happen to be on, I want you to find a kind of special place. Sort of a little secret area that not everybody knows about but this is your happy place where you just feel absolutely comfortable and at home and tell me what that looks like.
Micha Goebig 34:23
It's a little patio. By my bedroom. And it's not a very obvious, big patio. It just like, sits on the top of a garage or something on the side, but it has, it has a spectacular view. And it has all the tiled floor. You get the nice afternoon sun.
Adrienne MacIain 34:47
I want you to feel that tile on your bare feet. It's nice and cool as you're sitting there in the sun. And what can you smell here?
Micha Goebig 34:59
The air is really fresh, and there's some probably pine or something. There's trees behind. So.
Adrienne MacIain 35:06
And what can you hear?
Micha Goebig 35:23
Adrienne MacIain 35:24
Nice and quiet.
Micha Goebig 35:25
Nice and quiet. Birds. Yes, some rustling.
Adrienne MacIain 35:30
Perfect. And while you're there just feeling completely happy and relaxed, something unexpectedly wonderful happens. What is it?
Micha Goebig 35:49
I own the place. I just bought the place.
Adrienne MacIain 35:57
That's pretty wonderful.
Micha Goebig 35:58
Adrienne MacIain 36:00
Absolutely. So what are you going to do to celebrate this?
Micha Goebig 36:04
Well, I don't want to over-emphasize the wine issue here. But I think as I am anyway...
Adrienne MacIain 36:15
Yeah, it seems like you were already celebrating. You had all these people over. You've got this kind of party going. That's wonderful.
Micha Goebig 36:22
That's it, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Adrienne MacIain 36:25
And so I want you to get some some good news that you weren't expecting. What is it?
Micha Goebig 36:43
But I'm actually having a retreat there.
Adrienne MacIain 36:46
Ah, now we're talking.
Micha Goebig 36:48
Aha, we're hosting a retreat there. I actually have people who want to go there for a retreat.
Adrienne MacIain 36:55
Not only do you have a retreat, it's sold out and you have a waitlist.
Micha Goebig 36:59
Yes, waitlist. Yes. Exactly.
Adrienne MacIain 37:02
People are dying to go to your retreats, and are just showering you with compliments about this first experience that they've already had. And I want you to just feel that for a moment. Just bask in that. And whenever you're ready, you can open your eyes.
Micha Goebig 37:31
Not bad. Thank you!
Adrienne MacIain 37:34
Of course, I mean, I just created the space. You filled it, right? And so that's yours. That's your space. And you can go there any time. And the more you go there, the more the universe will see oh, yes, that's what she wants. I'll send her that. So.
Micha Goebig 37:49
Yeah, yeah, I will. I will let you know that! Frequently.
Adrienne MacIain 37:55
Absolutely. I have a little slideshow that I love to watch where I've just put together some images from my little visions. I play music with it. And I do a little, you know, kind of routine to it in the morning. So.
Micha Goebig 38:08
I like that, I actually have photos of pretty much that place in Italy.
Adrienne MacIain 38:13
There we go, yeah!
Micha Goebig 38:14
I can make a little slideshow like that. Yeah.
Adrienne MacIain 38:18
Excellent. Yeah, I find it really, really helpful. So before we go, is there anything else that you'd like to leave the audience with before you tell them where to find you?
Micha Goebig 38:32
As I don't have that retreat coming up YET... Read my newsletter, because eventually people, I'll take you to Italy.
Adrienne MacIain 38:47
Absolutely. We'll do a trade you can come to my retreat, and I'll go to yours.
Micha Goebig 38:51
Exactly. Yep. Yes, totally. I'm in!
Adrienne MacIain 38:54
Fantastic. All right. So where can the wonderful folks at home find you and all the wonderful things that you do?
Micha Goebig 39:01
So my website is gobigcoaching.com or MichaGoebig.com, both lead to the same place. That's where you can find my newsletter to sign up and especially and I really, really encourage you to do that. I have laser coaching sessions up right now because my 2021 motto that came to me was "Serving my ass off." So this year, I put on a lot of just free laser coaching sessions where people can just book their slot for half an hour. And that's under availability, so find that there, and if you want to check me out first, a little more then Instagram is usually the place I prefer that go_big_coaching. But you can see pretty much the same content on Facebook. I'm just on there as myself. And feel free to connect on LinkedIn.
Adrienne MacIain 40:01
Well this has been wonderful. Thank you so much for joining us.
Micha Goebig 40:05
Thank you for having me. This was great fun