Updated: May 26
All of us carry our own pain, and most of us don’t know what to do with it. Wouldn’t you love to be able to set it down? Today’s guest, HiRa Hosen (tantraoftheheart.com), explains how, by holding space for pain and truly observing it, we can dissolve it. And if we can see the emptiness at the center of pain, then creation will be the new game.
3:00 The continuous unfolding of perfection
5:20 Seeding planet Earth
9:40 A beautiful collaboration (or Interplanetary collaboration)
13:10 What do you do with the suffering of the world?
15:00 The birth journey
23:10 Holding space for pain
31:40 How to hold that space
38:00 The planet has magically opened up
41:50 Creation is the new game
Adrienne MacIain 0:01
Hey everyone, welcome to the That's Aloud. I'm your hostess, Dr. Adrienne MacIain. And today we have HiRa Hosen. Please welcome HiRa.
HiRa Hosen 0:12
Adrienne MacIain 0:15
Can you introduce yourself a little bit? And tell us a little about you? Sure.
HiRa Hosen 0:23
Well, let me put that out first. I am from the stars.
Adrienne MacIain 0:31
HiRa Hosen 0:35
Which, you know, I live in Egypt. And here in Egypt, the most common question is, Where are you from? So my question, my answer is always, I'm from the stars. Because I remember it so well, right. So I can feel that field of, you know, where we're all from so clearly. So I identify more with that than 'I am born here, and I did this, and I did that.' Right?
Adrienne MacIain 1:05
HiRa Hosen 1:06
So one of my main practices is to practice the non-identity, I am no one. So in that sense, there's not much to say. But then again, obviously, you know, I've had a beautiful life up until now, I'm 46. I have a beautiful husband, who's a free diver and a Zen master. We lived for 10 years in a beautiful Zen temple in the south of France. And we have a beautiful girl, and her name is Mahatma, and she's 12 years old now. So full life, full. You know, I'm a teacher since 10 years from the School of Remembering, from Drunvalo Melchizedek. And they give all kinds of teachings, workshops, online, on site. Sometimes they do tours. And so, yeah, this these are my activities. I guess you can explain me better by my activities, then.
Adrienne MacIain 2:07
I think most people do that. I mean, it makes a lot of sense. We are what we do, to some degree, at least if you listen to the existentialists, right?
Unknown Speaker 2:16
Right, yeah. It's got more, it's got even more than I do, I am because I think, right? Because you can think of things, but then what do you do with it? So...
Adrienne MacIain 2:34
I think what we believe often becomes what we do, which becomes who we are, at least according to others around us. So, yeah. So what is the story the world is not getting?
HiRa Hosen 2:50
Yeah. Okay, so the story of the world is not getting. So, it's a long story.
Adrienne MacIain 2:56
We've got time.
HiRa Hosen 3:03
I guess the basics would be that the world is not getting how perfect she is, how perfect you are, how perfect this moment is, and how, whatever it looks like, it is all Divine Source Energy streaming through realities, and that we are part of that, and that we are, as human beings, we are very, we're very blessed to be part of that unfolding. Continuous unfolding of perfection. And we are that, it's just that we have forgotten. Like, obviously, that's the game, right? We come here, we forget everything, and we need to find ourselves, and Ah-ha, you know. Can take lifetimes, lifetimes and lifetimes. That's a joke. And then, of course, you know, a lot of us get stuck there and get lost there. And you know, it's not, it's not easy. It's a lot of suffering. A lot of pleasure as well. So you've got all this both sides. But basically, when we realize who we truly are, then we can feel, and we can sense, and we can live, and we can do, and we can manifest that perfection from within us. So I think that's what the world's not getting, in short. And then there's a whole lot of, you know, different concepts, I would say, that we can put on it, and say we're from here, and then were from there, and then we did this, and then we did that. So in that sense if we take it into the cosmic story, then I would say the collective is way older than what we believe. That we are situated in many different galaxies, not only this one, but many different galaxies and realities and worlds. And that definitely this planet has been one of the toughest ones because of the quarantine, like, everybody's talking in 2020 about quarantine. But this planet has been quarantined for so long that we kind of forgot, you know, about our multi-dimensional levels. But, um, yeah, so I, I have the feeling that as a human collective, as a human species, we were seeded onto this planet. It's not, I don't think, I mean, obviously, it's a possibility, but I don't think it was like, a, we come from the monkeys, and then we, you know, maybe some some races did. Bit I think like, most of us were all, you know, we're having bodies that were seeded on this planet about 100,000 years ago, something like that. And that now, parts of our bodies, and this is where my workshops are, about parts of bodies are awakening, activating, awakening, and those parts are aligning. And then we get into that more receptive nature of the Divine Source running through us. And then we start to really live our purpose and everything like that. So yeah, I would say it's kind of like that. But of course, there's many different stories linked to it, or different viewpoints. And I respect them all. And I like them all, you know. But this is the one that I resonate the most now. Maybe if you asked me again in a week it would be completely different.
Adrienne MacIain 6:29
Yeah. I find it, I think there's some very interesting and compelling evidence that there was a point in time where there were a lot of different, you know, versions of upright apes, I guess, hominids, right. And then there was just one. All of the others kind of disappeared quite suddenly. And this one that was left had a very advanced brain that none of the others before had had. And so what happened there? There's sort of an evolutionary leap or jump there. Yeah, yeah, it's very interesting. I've read some about this, and it's kind of a mystery to scientists, you know. They kind of look at this and go, Well, why did this happen? They don't really have a good explanation. And so I think it's as good a theory as any that at that point, we were, as you said, kind of given a helping hand by extraterrestrials or, you know, beings from elsewhere, to help us get to a certain point in our evolution. Now, why they did that? Again, a lot of different theories, a lot of questions around that. Was it to help us or was it to use us? Was it to, you know, seed this planet, with workers for their projects or plans? But...
HiRa Hosen 6:30
Yeah, I think all of it.
Adrienne MacIain 7:59
All of it.
HiRa Hosen 8:00
Some of them used us, some of them helps us, and, you know, and then, like, some of them are positive, some of them are negative, all of it. But what we're often forgetting when we're speaking about extraterrestrials, in that sense, is that we are like, an ultimate mix of them. We, we're more alien than they are, like, we are more extraterrestrial than, than they are. Because we are, I mean, as far as I can see, it is that we are a mixture, our DNA is a mixture of the Arcturians, of the Pleiadians, of the Sirians, of like, all these different, you know, and when you combine them all together, that's us. Like, human beings on planet Earth. And that's why, obviously, that our awakening is so like, kind of, eh-er, eh-er, eh-er, you know, so many things need to be combined and put in place, but then when you got the good mix going, you got the powers from all of them. Coming in from the Pleiadians, you got the, you know, the joy coming in from the Arcturians, and so, they put basically all that inside of us as the ultimate vehicle on this planet. So I don't know, I don't see them anymore as extraterrestrial. And I also have to say, in the beginning, I was like, Whoa, these extraterrestrials, and they have such a high frequency, and 5D, and 6D, and 7D. And then after a while, I was like, Hold on. Because everyone that's helping us is actually clearing out their own mess, you know?
Adrienne MacIain 9:35
HiRa Hosen 9:37
Because when they gave her their DNA, and they mixed us, I mean, they, we linked now. So whatever is happening to us, it's happening to them. So it's not only like, We're here to save you! No, hold on, hold on, hold on, you just don't want us messing around with your existence. Which I can imagine, because we are a complete mess, we're like the Brooklyn of the Universe, that's clear. I get it. I totally get it. I'm not into the, you know thing anymore where I'm like, Oh, thank you Extraterrestrials. I'm like, Yeah, okay, let's do this all together. But I'm the human, and I'm living this, in this time, and this density. So, you know, like...
Adrienne MacIain 10:19
Oh, I love everything about what you just said. I mean, so many beautiful lessons in there, right? That we often, we put others up on pedestals and say, Save me, save me. That never works. No one can save you except you. So even if they're extraterrestrials, even if they're spirit guides, even if they're whatever you want to call, you know, entities that you encounter, they're not here to save you. They're here to save themselves. And they're here to collaborate with you. So if you're open to that, you can have these incredible experiences where you collaborate with beings on other planes. But if you're expecting them to come and save you, and teach you everything, you already know everything. They can maybe remind you of some things that you've forgotten, and vice versa.
HiRa Hosen 11:12
At a certain point, it becomes a beautiful collaboration, right? Because it's like, imagine, imagine you are there, like you are in that moment in your living that, as one of my teacher says, the Temple of the present moment, you're living it. You're completely free. Then obviously, what do you want to do? Like, you want to help, or it's not even helping anyone, it's just you want to do positive things. You want to, you know, collaborate, and you want to, you want to do all those things. So obviously, the collaboration, the more it becomes a collaboration, the more for everyone involved, it is this beautiful energy that is created. But for sure, up until you get to that level, you have to bring yourself up to a very high frequency. And of course, people can help you and you can be grateful for that. But I think, yeah, we're coming out, thousands of years of kind of waiting for the savior, and not realizing that we are the ones we're waiting for. I mean, and we're going to keep keep hearing that because a lot of people are saying that we are the completion that we are waiting for. We are it. But it's true that the more you start collaborating, the more kind of pure that energy becomes, and it's not a "saving" anymore. And I think that's the whole new Earth, new paradigm's about, right? And I still, I'm not out of this one. I'm not, I'm not completely clear. Like I'm not, you know, I can feel that, for example, in my heart, when I go deep in my heart, there is, I am feeling the suffering of the world. And I'm not saying that I'm beyond that. I'm not saying like, Okay, I'm not going out here to save anyone - go save yourself. It's not like that. It's very subtle. It's very, very delicate. Because what do you do with the suffering of the world? And I mean, I've been feeling it augmenting this last year. It's like, the poor are getting poorer. The people that are not aware of the awakening of our planet are becoming less aware. It's like, everything is just kind of, seems to accumulate, seems to become more difficult, there seems to be more suffering. Or maybe it's just more obvious these days, we can see it, and we can feel it. But I can feel the densities, they're getting denser, and the light's getting lighter, so that there's this split, right. It's like, aargh, eergh, like, moving on, it's painful, it's extremely painful. So I'm not there yet. Like because, you know, at certain moments, I will feel that and it just hurts so much. And I'm like. But then I can feel like the back of my heart opening and I feel that you know, these wings or these type of space coming in, and then I'm like, Okay, it's not my personal heart who needs to do this. It's just I need to surrender to that space and let the source come through and do it. But we are human. So there's definitely days that I do want to save the world. And I do want to save everyone. But then I'm like, Okay, what is the new paradigm about? It's not about saving anymore. Because if I go out and I go save someone, I can I can drag them along, and I can I can keep their vibration up. But as soon as I turn around, they're gonna fall harder than where they were before, they're gonna go deeper than where they were before, because they felt that they had it in them, but then they think it's me who did it. So it's like, Ooh. It's not, it's not an easy thing, just like, Okay, go save yourself. Bye. It's like, it's, yeah. This is a big thing. Yeah.
Adrienne MacIain 14:58
So can you tell us a little bit more about your personal journey. Your awakening?
HiRa Hosen 15:04
Sure. I guess I've, yeah, I've had many of them. And I think the biggest one was probably my birth.
Adrienne MacIain 15:12
Mm hmm. Yeah. Absolutely.
HiRa Hosen 15:18
Yeah. Not too hard. All the initiations and awakenings I had before that.
Adrienne MacIain 15:22
HiRa Hosen 15:24
You don't want to talk about those.
Adrienne MacIain 15:26
Which, which do you want to talk about is the real story, right? What's compelling you to share it right now?
HiRa Hosen 15:34
I think it's my birth, because I've been doing some work with... I'm doing so much work with women. It's so awakening to work with other women. Yeah, work with sacred sexuality, work with the energy and how it flows to the body, work with all these things, work with love. Work with seeing suffering and answering it with love. Basically holding the suffering of yourself and the world in your hands with love. So I think it's, yeah, I've been working with with other women on the subject of my birth a lot last week. So I don't mind like speaking about that. So when I came into the, through the birthing channel, normally, when people go for the birth... When you're still in the belly, you still remember. I mean a lot of people, not everyone, but a lot of people still remember. I remember I'm from there, I'm connected to this family, these stars, I'm connected to this, this is my mission, this is why I chose my parents, da-da-da-da-dah. But then when we go through the birthing channel, many of us forget. It's part of the game. But it's also why do we forget? Because you're a huge light. And then you're supposed to go through that birthing channel, you're supposed to completely incarnate - you aren't supposed to, I mean that's what happens - you incarnate in that body. Before, you can go in and out, in and out. But then the body comes to life. If you're not present in the body, the body's not going to make it. So you need, to you need to incarnate in that body. And those nine months are preparing you for that. But then once you go through that burden channel, your light is so bright, that when you go through it, it burns. It's super painful. Like, the birth is like, a million times more painful than dying. Dying is like, Yoohoo, I'm free, I'm flying, it's all good. Of course, there's a whole process to it, it's not, it's not that easy. But the birth is, is super, super painful. So most people just go out. They're just, like, knocked out and they, you know, at some point they're born and, you know, it just happens. I was aware during that whole process, so I was born awake. And so that was so painful, that you know, you can feel it like as if you are a huge light, and then you get burnt, like burn, burn, burn, burn. Because you need to become smaller, you need to fit in that tiny little body. It's ridiculous! It's really hardcore. So then, of course, like the first meeting with my parents, and the meeting with this density of the world. When you're in the womb you're still protected, you're still safe, you can hear the heartbeat of your mother. You feel like you're still in that bubble. But then when you get out, it's like Aaaah, like the whole thing just hits you, you know. So and that's, that's what I'm starting to really, not remember, I remember but I'm starting to really understand what actually happened there, and what happened to me at that point. Because I just hide. I don't know how to say it, but for four weeks, they put me in one of these covers, I don't know how they call them, so my mother wasn't even allowed to touch me and stuff. So for four weeks, it's just like you're under...
Adrienne MacIain 18:58
Incubator light. Yeah.
HiRa Hosen 19:02
Crazy. So of course, it's like super cold world. You get into super dancing. And when you are an empath, like many people I know are empathic, but you know, when you're born, you're just naturally like that. So you can feel the suffering of the world. You're just like, Whoa, what, you know, what hell did I come into? And it's like, Welcome to Planet Earth. You know, and you're like, Okay. So basically, to finish that long story, just what happened is I hid into my heart, and I hid into this part where you combine the spine and the skull, that place, took the the suffering of the world on my shoulders, went into my heart and said, I can't, I can't deal with this. And I think, for me to, now I'm going through the biggest initiation, I think, is to admit and to accept the pain of separation.
Adrienne MacIain 20:04
HiRa Hosen 20:05
The pain of separation that you had. Like, you're in a human body. Like, I am in a human body. I am separated from the Oneness because I am in the human body. Of course I know that this is not my limit. I don't stop here. I know that I'm everything. I know it probably better than most people because I still have that memory, thank God, I still, Goddess, I still have that memory. But for me, it's the other way around. I have to accept that I am a separate entity in a body for me to be able to actually really be useful at this point.