Trust in Your Heart w/ Ana Laura Levin

Updated: Feb 25, 2021

Adrienne MacIain 0:00

Hey everyone, welcome to the That's Aloud podcast. This is your hostess Adrienne MacIain, and I'm here today with Ana Levin. Please introduce yourself.

Ana Levin 0:10

Hi, thank you for having me. I am Ana. I am, this is interesting, I am a woman. I am a foreigner. There's so much to me.

Adrienne MacIain 0:22

I know.

Ana Levin 0:22

Yes. Let’s just start there.

Adrienne MacIain 0:25

Beautiful. So the question I usually start with, just to see kind of what this shakes loose, is what's the story you're not telling?

Ana Levin 0:33

Yes, that's such a good question. There's so many, but I think the most crucial one in these days, especially since the quarantine, the story I'm not telling openly and I'm so ready to tell is the fact that I was born a feeler. And for many, many years, I've made myself wrong. And I am very ready to share my being a feeler with everybody and what came through that. From that embrace, right?

Adrienne MacIain 1:08

I am feeling that so hard, like you can see, I'm... Oh my gosh, that resonates with me so much. So many of us who are empaths and feelers have told ourselves over and over again, no, that's not marketable. That's not, you know, that's not a job, not valuable, nobody needs that. And that's just so wrong, so wrong.

Ana Levin 1:31

You know what I see a little bit, what I have been able to observe is that we, especially as women, we didn't have a lot of, you know, people that looked like that kind of heart leadership. So when we saw that in ourselves, we didn't know how to lead with it. At least for myself.

Adrienne MacIain 1:51

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. It is. Yeah, it was really hard to find role models for heart-centered female leaders. Absolutely.

Ana Levin 2:03

Yes. But it's a beautiful, sorry to interrupt, it's a beautiful space that we are in us, especially as women, I think we're so special and sacred. And this is the time to do it differently and come from our heart. And it's like, I almost feel like we need, like, a feeling revolution.

Adrienne MacIain 2:26


Ana Levin 2:28

Because we're not feeling!

Adrienne MacIain 2:32

God, that's so true. I was just gonna say that women, you know, who were in power when I was growing up, at least, I think to make it to that place had to pretend to be men in a lot of ways, and had to adopt even more so, kind of go even further into machismo in a sense, in order to survive and to thrive in that, you know, culture. So yeah, I completely agree, I think it's time for that revolution. I think more and more women are waking up to their heart center and recognizing how valuable that is, and finding ways to give that gift to the world. So yes, I agree, this is a very exciting time. So where does that begin for you?

Ana Levin 3:18

Well, the feeling you mean?

Adrienne MacIain 3:21

Where does it begin that, you know, the story of you realizing, Whoa, wait a second, I'm a feeler, but I've been blocking that or not feeling like that was valuable. Where does that story begin for you?

Ana Levin 3:36

I realized I was a feeler like, as a kid. Early on, I noticed how I was in, you know, even the way I looked at nature or the way I looked at people and relationships and even going to church and saying, like, what god are you talking about? Like the god I'm connecting to, he's all love, there's no judgment. I mean, what is that? There were so many things about the world that it didn't fit in, into my heart. My heart was almost like bigger than what they were, what I was seeing. And see, I dropped my amethyst. But it really started with seeing that I was so good at surviving. And I asked myself, I wonder what living would feel like? In order to do that, I had to be able to feel and trust and, you know, get to know my heart. Now with that question came a whole array of things that I had to work through. And this is where I think a lot of us get discouraged, because when we start to feel we actually have to look at things and patterns, you know, experiences that perhaps were not pleasant because the decisions that we make for ourselves from our heads, it's very different than when it comes from our heart. So I have have a lot of compassion for people. And I feel like that's one of the best gifts that I can give people when I work with them is really loving them wherever they're at, not wanting them to be any other place that they're at, and helping them actually process those feelings that were suppressed and get past it so that they can actually live more joyfully and more aligned, right, and more alive as well.

Adrienne MacIain 5:33

Yeah. So you said 'I dropped my amethyst.' What does the amethyst do? Why is it with you right now?

Ana Levin 5:40

I have, yes, this is a beautiful, I don't know, I do a lot of my healings, holding this amethyst and if you, you know, believe in energy, it's just had a lot of good Mojo for me.

Adrienne MacIain 5:53

Okay, cool.

Ana Levin 5:53

I like to, I like to fidget with my amethyst, you know, whenever I'm talking.

Adrienne MacIain 5:58

That's great. No, I have a little obsidian that I sometimes hold 'cause it's for, like, emotional sort of fortification, if I'm having a difficult conversation, I'll often have that in my hand.

Ana Levin 6:11

Yes! I think is, you know, and as silly as it may sound, because many of us come from academia, right, or the world, these are the most natural things to do. They come from Mother Earth, like ashes to ashes. That's where we come from. So that's really at the forefront of my current passion and my message, to spread, and to hold the space for people to, for all of us, to realize that we have an array of beautiful healing methods and things that we can connect that can really give us an amazing life, as opposed to just popping a pill only. You know what I mean?

Adrienne MacIain 6:58

Yeah, absolutely. So, the next question is, what was the kind of climax pop point, sometimes it's a rock bottom, sometimes it's kind of a climax point, in the hero's journey would be sort of the culmination of your initiation, where there's the kind of big boss battle. What was that moment for you where you realized something has to change?

Ana Levin 7:21

Yes. And I hope, I would hope that it was a little bit more, like, but this is how it went. We went to church with my family, my ex-husband, and we had an altercation with my ex-husband. And I got really concerned for my physical safety, though nothing happened. I remained centered as much as I could and peaceful, right, and I went inside, and I'm washing my hands in the sink in the kitchen. This is the non elegant part. And I kid you not, this almost like my own voice was talking to me. So I guess, let's say my higher self was talking to me. And that's when I heard myself saying to myself, I'm so done surviving. I wonder what living would be like? I have no idea what living is like. And that simple, I mean, and it was just so peaceful, even in the midst of such a turbulent time, righ? My kids were little, so I'm trying to protect them, I'm trying not to blow up or yell or anything like that. Trying to contain, right, the chaotic moment. And yet my soul was like, so, you know, when it's the right thing? You're like, Yes, that's it! And that's what started, you know, to change my life drastically. Drastically.

Adrienne MacIain 9:03

So, when did the tide start to turn up after that? What started to happen that you were like, Hmm, maybe there's a better way? Maybe I can get out of this.

Ana Levin 9:14

Yes. And I like that question too, because up is such a subjective...

Adrienne MacIain 9:21


Ana Levin 9:22

Right. Because one of my biggest lessons in the past seven years, when this question arose in my head, the biggest lesson is perhaps the respect and the appreciation that I have now risen that I didn't have at the beginning. At the beginning, you know, when you're like, Oh, yes, I have this aha moment, therefore, my life is now different, but it's not, it doesn't happen like that. There's a lot of water that has to go under the bridge. So going back to the question, yes, it was automatic, because just the fact that I was asking myself that question, that was huge going up. Huge. But I would say, in less than a month, I actually met my husband, Danny. And it was such a soul connection such as soul recognition, inexplainable, but undeniable. And so I, and then I received the message 'Trust in the power of your heart.' And I literally saw, I was praying, and I literally saw like a fork in the road, and I see the head and the heart. And it's like God was telling me you can follow one or the other, you can choose. I'm like, well duh, I'm gonna pick the heart, you know, I'm gonna pick this message. Little did I know what that would entail. And that was the beginning of really going up and a lot of, ooh, a lot of undoing of stories, expectations, what life should look like at a certain age. I mean, a lot of undoing that and really stepping to a higher, a higher love, a higher purpose. So grateful, so grateful, I would do it over and over again. And I know in the midst of it sometimes, you know, I would feel that like, I wasn't that graceful going through it. But I think all of us, I mean, I'm gonna give myself some self-love because I truly trust to be graceful through such a huge transition. On the other end, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I would do it all over again, because what I have gained is, yeah, a bigger love, a bigger understanding of what love truly is, and how love never dies, love gets, it's an energy of creation, and it just continues to transform and create new creations. And so, till this day, I can say that I have a great, loving relationship with my ex-husband. I, you know, let me tell you a story about love and how it transformed, going up to the question they were asking me. When we got divorced, my husband was dating this girl, and she had a lot of medical issues. And one day, I like to pray, I mean, obviously, I like to pray and meditate a lot. And I was like, in meditation, and I hear pray for this lady. And I was like, what, like, well, and so again, with like, the talking to myself, right? Why would I pray for this lady when society feels like this is the one that you're supposed to be jealous about, or whatever. And the voice says to me, because she is you and you are her. And I started crying. And it was such a beautiful example of, of being one, because I didn't like, you know, a person that I will be, I will be willing to see myself as. Really, really beautiful blessing, beautiful blessing. So that's just an example of how my love has been able to grow based on the initial moment of saying, I wonder what living would be like and then accepting the message that was being given to me. Trust in the power of your heart. Trust without even knowing that your heart is powerful enough to love beyond the stories the world crafts.

Adrienne MacIain 13:55

Yes, I think so many people look at love as a zero sum game, that the more you give, the less you have, and that is exactly the opposite of the truth. The more love you give, the more love you have to give and receive and all that love is self-perpetuating. Yeah. So that, what a beautiful story. I love that so much.

Ana Levin 14:18

Thank you.

Adrienne MacIain 14:19

What What do you think has blocked you from sharing this story before now?

Ana Levin 14:24

Well, like we talked about before, the preconceptions, right, of, well, who's gonna buy love? I mean, my message is trust in the power of your heart, like dadadada. Right? I mean, it's not like it, that has nothing to do with my degrees or that. Yeah, I would say it was me. It was my own, getting in my own head. To be completely honest, and this is the part that I actually have to forgive myself also and love myself enough, it was me not valuing this message that was given to me. And you know, the minute that I started to realize that, and it took me a few years because I've been the runaway bride for for many years now. I first felt the sadness, but then I took that reaction and said, I need to share this, I need to. It doesn't matter what I look like, what I sound like, if I have an accent, if I don't have an accent, if I have hair, no hair, it doesn't matter, you know. I need to share this because this is way too precious for me to hold it in my heart, you know? And so yeah, it is time. I'm ready.

Adrienne MacIain 14:24

And how did this change you?

Ana Levin 15:47

It continues to change me, I think, and this is going to be, for the rest of my life, the work that I do. It really continues to take me to a place of bigger and bigger and bigger understanding of what love is, of our connectivity. Right? interconnectivity. What this experience on planet Earth is about. And it's just, it's humbling, it's honoring and it's humbling, and I'm very grateful. It really has changed me completely as a person. I don't see things the same way. I don't. I appreciate, you know, things that perhaps I overlooked before, even though I'm very observant as a person, and I've always loved nature and animals and children, you know, those are all my weaknesses. But now it's a deeper, it just deepens my view of the world.

Adrienne MacIain 16:55

it's interesting that you call those weaknesses. I would call those strengths.

Ana Levin 16:59

Well, it's like my energy just goes out to them. And I know it does to look at, yeah, yeah.

Adrienne MacIain 17:07

Yeah. Someone said to me once "A strength is not something that you're good at. A strength is something that gives you energy." And I've always really loved that.

Ana Levin 17:18

Yes, yes. And you know, it's interesting, sometimes people ask me when I'm doing, you know, when I have a lot of, I do a lot of healings per day, and ask me if I get tired. I never get tired. Ever. That's how I know it's mine to do.

Adrienne MacIain 17:35

Yes. Yeah.

Ana Levin 17:37

You know, like, if I were drained, then I would question, I'm like, this is not good for me. But, you know, I think I truly believe that when you're doing the work of your heart, whatever that is, it could be like, you're a carpenter, you know, you're energized by it. You're not drained by it.

Adrienne MacIain 17:53

Yeah. When you're in that flow, and it just feels like no time at all is passing. Yeah, I love that. I mean, eventually, I will get like a sore throat if I, you know, do this all day, but like that. But other than that, I'm just like, Who's next? Let's do this. Yeah. So who do you think needs to hear your story?

Ana Levin 18:14

I think anybody that has closed up their hearts, for whatever reason, and that is ready to open their hearts. That's the key also. You know, I always tell people, when they come and work with me, I say, Look, the only thing, the only thing you need to do is relax and receive. And it sounds pretty simple. But many of us really stink at receiving or relaxing for that matter.

Adrienne MacIain 18:43


Ana Levin 18:44

We don't know how to do that. It's the pre-programming, I have to be efficient, I have to be productive, you know. And so that, I think anybody that is ready, and I think many of us now, especially with the space that the quarantine has given us, are realizing that we need to start feeling, that we are human beings, right. So it's great to create, we can definitely use our minds, they're amazing computers. But our hearts have a wisdom that, when we touch into it, it kind of like shifts everything in your life. So yeah, anybody that is closed up that would like to open up.

Adrienne MacIain 19:32

Yeah. I think feeling really is healing. I know that sounds cheesy, but it's, yeah, there's a very deep truth there. And the more we, the more time we spend, just focusing on our heart center, and on feeling, and on experiencing things in the moment, the more joy we find.

Ana Levin 19:53

Yes. And I don't know if it happens to you, but for me, the older I get, the more, which I believe is part of part of getting older, the more I realize, Well shoot, if I'm going to be here, I might as well feel it. I mean, like, what am I doing here if I'm not going to be here? Yes. It's like saying, I want to swim. You're in the swimming pool. Now, are you gonna move or are you gonna just stand in the swimming pool? Right?

Adrienne MacIain 20:23

Right? You're in the pool. Swim.

Ana Levin 20:24


Adrienne MacIain 20:25

Absolutely, absolutely. I love that so much. So what would you say is the main message or takeaway from your story?

Ana Levin 20:36

It really is to trust in the power of my heart. Trust has come to be, for me, moving forward without knowing where I'm going. It has also meant to develop a more intimate relationship with my soul. It has also meant to redefine who I think I should be, you know, or the titles that I have, or the roles that I play. It has been a true, true blessing. You know? So yeah, I think that's the takeaway. That's gonna be on my grave: Trust in the power of your heart.

Adrienne MacIain 21:21

Yeah, let's go into that a little bit more deeply. You said who I should be, I think, or who? Who do you think that is? Who do you think that is?

Ana Levin 21:31

Well, and I had this conversation with my husband many times because he likes to push my buttons, thank God, because it helps me grow. But, you know, I was a teacher for many years, for example, and he would always tell me, Do you realize that you always talk about yourself in the past, you always refer it to. And I thought, and I would get my feelings hurt, because I thought it was because I loved the stories. And I still do love the stories that I have with the students that came into my life over the years. But there was another side to that coin that was me holding on to a, you know, title or a role that I was playing, which doesn't take away from, you know, doing it. What he was referring to more it was the fact that I was relating to just that when there is more to myself, like, I am just a high school teacher. Right? So then when I could allow myself to look into that further, and say, Okay, if I'm not that, then what am I, then that's also part of the message, to trust, and trust in the power, and trusting in your own intuition and connection to your soul. So, yeah, and it's brutal, right? It's brutal, because my identity was so attached to that, and the other one is being a mom. And for the longest time, I couldn't understand, and I still, I'm still battling a little bit with this. Which again, is normal, right, because we're women, and we're moms. But it's understanding how can I still be myself and then play these other roles as well? There's no one or the other, but, you know, it can be in in harmony with each other. But it was very fruitful for me to get rid of a lot of those 'who I should be.'

Adrienne MacIain 23:37

Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. It's really powerful when we really accept that we don't actually have to do something to be. I think so much of this culture is really focused on 'what do you do?'

Yes. Yes.

And for a while I had this written on my mirror, I had a little whiteboard marker, and I wrote on my mirror 'You are enough. You have enough. You do enough.' And that was just so big for me, because I constantly felt like, you know, every morning I woke up behind. And, it's like, I haven't done enough, I have so much to do. I have to, you know, be all these things for all these people. And it was like, No, you've already done enough just by being.

Ana Levin 24:30

Yes, yes. And I think, thank you for that point, because I think that is at the core of trusting in the power of the heart. And I have gotten this message from, you know, in prayer for the past seven years. And I finally, in the past three, is when I'm stepping into like, Okay, now I'm getting what being is. Because they kept on saying to me, Just be you know, just be. Don't, you don't have to do. Don't be so worried about what you have to create and this and that. Because that's what I was always asking guidance for. Well, what is mine to create? Do I make a course? Do I make a, you know, do I offer a whatever, you know, Mother's Day Special alignment? You know, just relax, girl, relax, and just be. Be with your message, embody your message. And it's a different magnetism when we are, you know, yeah, when we're able to do that, again, whatever we're doing. In my case it's energy alignments, but for you it's bringing the voice of other people, it was whatever it is that is in your heart to share with with with the world and with yourself. It's fascinating to me.

Adrienne MacIain 25:48

Absolutely. So what are you focused on right now?

Ana Levin 25:51

Right now I am focused on being my message and sharing that place, sharing with others. I do a few things, you know, I do translations, sometimes for fun. It has come into my life again, translation, so I translate a couple of books and I might be doing audio books too.

Adrienne MacIain 26:16


Ana Levin 26:16

But my passion. Yeah, I know, it's so fun. But my passion is really this connection that I have with Source, and I can channel Source, and help a person get their energy aligned and activate their heart so they can actually own life. And I think that's really at the forefront of everything and anything that I do. Whether I'm talking to somebody or I'm in my own company, you know, I try my best to stay centered and in a heart space, you know, and really, really focusing on how am I using my energy and how am I sharing energy with others. So, yeah, it's about spreading my message right now. I'm very, very ready.

Adrienne MacIain 26:28

And let's, one more time, let's hear that message.

Ana Levin 27:11

Trust in the power of your heart.

Adrienne MacIain 27:14

Beautiful. So now we're gonna transition. This is my favorite part of the podcast.

Ana Levin 27:19


Adrienne MacIain 27:20

I'm gonna have you close your eyes for a moment. Just take a nice centering breath. Beautiful. I'm gonna wave my magic wand, and you have now been granted all your wishes. Everything that you deeply desire has just come true. Now I want you to look around your life. And explain to me what you see, what you smell, what you hear, what you feel in this perfect, ideal existence that you are now in.

Ana Levin 27:55

Okay. I see love, having fun on a stage, because really, my dream would be to align massive amount of people at the same time. But have fun doing it, while doing it. You know?

Adrienne MacIain 28:14

Yeah. So I want you to look out in that audience, you see these people, they're having fun. You can see they're really resonating with this. You can, like, see their hearts opening up through their eyes. I want you to really see that and just feel what that feels like for a moment.

Ana Levin 28:33

Oh man. That's, to me, that's the definition of joy.

Adrienne MacIain 28:37

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So then you are done with this experience, you're going to head back home. Describe to me where you're going.

Ana Levin 28:52

I am going to a peaceful home. Yeah, it's a house. And, do you want me to describe the interior?

Adrienne MacIain 29:02

Absolutely. Everything that comes to you, just tell me.

Ana Levin 29:05

Okay. Okay, white walls. It's kind of modern looking, minimalist type thing, very much my vibe. My husband is there. I feel the kids are taken care of, like they are adults and they, you know, they're good. Yeah, just peaceful, which is what I like.

Adrienne MacIain 29:29

Yeah. So you're in this beautiful, peaceful space. What do you hear? What are the sounds?

Ana Levin 29:42

I...well, the first thing I hear, but I also hear the trees out with the wind, you know, and the...what do they call that in English? They ruffle?

Adrienne MacIain 29:52

The rustle. The rustle.

Ana Levin 29:53

The rustle. Rustle. Yeah, that's what I hear. Others than that it's quiet. I like it.

Adrienne MacIain 30:03

Do you smell anything?

Ana Levin 30:06

Hmm. It smells clean. Smells clean. Not a lot of, you know, strong smells. Yeah.

Adrienne MacIain 30:17

Nice clean, calm space, where you can just be. Beautiful. So you're bringing meaning to all these people, you're opening up all these hearts. Is there anything else that you do in this space that really brings you joy?

Ana Levin 30:37

I travel. Yes. I just saw Greece for some reason.

Adrienne MacIain 30:43

Beautiful. Yeah. Okay, so now we're going to shift gears a little bit. You're in Greece. You're on a beach. Describe it for me.

Ana Levin 30:53

Yes. I'm on those like, white houses that you always see.

Adrienne MacIain 30:58


Ana Levin 31:00

So cute. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just walking through the little village. Enjoying the views.

Adrienne MacIain 31:10

Are you connecting with people there?

Ana Levin 31:12

Yeah, I am there also just to do some work with groups of people.

Adrienne MacIain 31:17

Mm hmm. That's what I'm feeling. Yeah. You're not just traveling.

Ana Levin 31:19

Both. So it's like a work/pleasure, work/pleasure.

Adrienne MacIain 31:23

Exactly. Exactly. You're actually traveling around the world and helping people in different places to get in touch with their feelings and open up their hearts.

Ana Levin 31:33

Mm hmm.

Adrienne MacIain 31:34

Yeah. So let's look back in your memory. What had to happen for this to be possible? What was the step just before this one that had to occur for you to be able to have this life that you have?

Ana Levin 31:52

To be honest with you, the first thing that came to mind was saying yes to my message, because until now, I was hiding.

Adrienne MacIain 31:59

Yeah. And really fully embodying that, right?

Ana Levin 32:04


Adrienne MacIain 32:05

Yeah. It's a lot easier to give advice than to take our own advice.

Ana Levin 32:10

Absolutely. Absolutely. And I have zero desire to do that. Like, I love people. I love...I'm a teacher at heart, so I love empowering people.

Adrienne MacIain 32:19

Yeah. Yeah. So again, I want you to just feel what that feels like to be fully empowered yourself and have that just overflow out of you onto these people around you.

Ana Levin 32:41

That's so cool. I mean, it's not like there's nothing to do.

Adrienne MacIain 32:45

Yeah, it just is. Right?

Ana Levin 32:48

Yeah, yeah.

Adrienne MacIain 32:49

It's flowing through you. Beautiful. Okay, you can open your eyes.

Ana Levin 32:58

That is so cool. Let's go there!

Adrienne MacIain 33:00

Right? Let's go right now!

Ana Levin 33:03

Do you want to come to Greece with me?

Adrienne MacIain 33:04

Absolutely I want to go to Greece with you.

Ana Levin 33:08

That's amazing. That's like, I am amazed at the clarity, you know, and I do a lot, I mean, in the work that I do, obviously, I channel information, so I'm very visual. But I'm always amazed at how quickly we can just close our eyes and connect, right? It's amazing.

Adrienne MacIain 33:26

Yeah. What I find so interesting about this exercise is that often, you know, some people they have this idea of like, Oh, I know exactly what I want and I'm there, right? Other people are, like, just have no idea what they're gonna see, and yet they still see it, you know, it still works for them. They haven't, like, had to think about it ahead of time. And sometimes people who think they know what they're gonna see see something completely different.

Ana Levin 33:51

Yes, yeah.

Adrienne MacIain 33:52

It's just when we open ourselves up to that possibility, you just come.

Ana Levin 33:58

Yes. And it's okay.

Adrienne MacIain 34:00

Just be there.

Ana Levin 34:01

Exactly. And it's okay not to know, you know, what it would look like or even what you want. That's a beautiful space to sit. Look, I, for the longest time that was kind of like my bawler song. It's like, well, I don't know, I don't even know what I want. Oh, my gosh, they don't know what they want, you know? But look at where your exercise took me. Right? Like so, the one thing that I was given, right, as soon as I say yes to it that's what's going to overflow my cup. That's it. There's nothing else. There's not a course I have to take. There's not more money that I have to have. There's nothing else. It's just saying yes to that one thing that was given to me. But it's so interesting, so interesting. Like the resistance is unbelievable.

Adrienne MacIain 34:52

Oh, yeah. And just the fact that we think we need permission to feel joy. That we think Oh, well, you know, okay, I can feel joyful once I've achieved this or once I have that. No, babe, your birthright is to feel, and you can feel exactly what you want to feel right now. And in fact, you can feel it over and over and over again. And this is why, you know, the exercise that I always kind of prescribe for people is to take that vision that you have. Now, some people like vision boards, you know, they like to create a board. Some people like to create a little slideshow. Some people just like to keep the mental image and listen to a piece of music. Or, you know, just take time, every day. I do just 15 seconds every morning. I wake up, and I have my little slideshow that I watch. It's 15 seconds long. Very simple.

Ana Levin 35:49

I love it.

Adrienne MacIain 35:50

And I just listen to this music, and watch this slideshow, and I put myself into that space, and let myself feel those feelings. And not only does it set the tone for the rest of my day, but it reminds me that no one can stop me from feeling those feelings right here, right now.

Ana Levin 36:10

Yes, exactly. And what you're doing right then and there is actually, you know, being responsible for what you're manifesting and your co-creation right in this world. I would say to people that are, like, five steps behind that, because what happens when we're closed up in our hearts, that could be kind of like, unattainable. It's like, Well, I don't even I don't even know how to feel, even less visualize my dream or whatever. So just be kind to yourself, be gentle with yourself, and just start slow. There's a lot of programming and a lot of emotional blocks that we acquire in this beautiful life of ours. And hard time and space to to heal sometimes, you know. There's some big things, some others like gone and done right away, or, you know, decrease. I'll give you an example, I worked with a lady that had like, severe anxiety, severe. And she was able from an eight or nine to a three. So you know, she still would feel anxiety, but then through the alignment that we did, then she can she can get rid of most of it. And then with time, if she continues to align her energy, then that can be completely gone. So anything is possible, right, with energy. But it takes courage and love and compassion. Delve, you know,

Adrienne MacIain 37:36

But it is so true too that often people don't even know how to feel what they already feel, let alone feel something else. And sometimes that's the thing. It's like they're trying not to feel what they feel. They're spending all this time and energy on not feeling whatever it is that they're feeling. And so they can never get out of that. It's an endless loop that keeps sucking them back in, because they never actually sit with that feeling. As I say, get comfortable with discomfort.

Ana Levin 38:06

Yes. One of, I think is one of the biggest mistakes that we make as human beings is trying to think outsmart our feelings. I mean, they're not gonna go anywhere, people, let's get on with the program. And they're gonna be here, you can suppress them, but they're gonna still be there. And that's gonna only hurt us physically, emotionally, spiritually, right? Then we get cancer, we get like, whatever, heartburn, I don't know. So, the best thing we can do is sit with it. Like if you're angry, okay, sit down with yourself and a journal. You're angry. It's all okay. I mean, you're not a bad person because you're feeling angry.

Adrienne MacIain 38:47

Anger can be a very useful emotion. Anger can point out to you something that needs to change. Anger can point out to you a desire that's gone unfulfilled, a need that's gone unfulfilled. Sadness, grief, all of these things are very useful emotions. But only when we pay attention to them and ask them What is the gift that you're trying to give me? What are you trying to help me with? Instead of fighting it, because what you resist persists.

Ana Levin 39:20

Oh, God, you can say that again. I'm a little bit of a fighter. I'm feisty. I'm a Leo. You can only imagine my dialogues with myself in my head. Very amusing, very amusing.

Adrienne MacIain 39:37

I have a lot of Leo's in my life too. My daughter's a Leo, my mom's a Leo. Yeah, that Leo energy, it's fun. I'm a fire sign too, I'm a Sagittarius so, you know, we belong really well.

Ana Levin 39:49

As the creative.

Adrienne MacIain 39:52

Absolutely.Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I think that that fire can also feel overwhelming and we can feel like Well, where am I supposed to put this energy? And I think, as you've discovered, when you use that energy to help other people kind of unblock their energy, that's when you start to go Oh, okay, that's why.

Ana Levin 40:14

Yes, absolutely. Which also speaks of the, you know, beautiful, harmonious balance and divine plan that we all have. And when we start to kind of, like, lean into it instead of fighting it, everything starts to kind of like fall into place. You meet the right people, you have the right conversations, you know, the right amount of money comes in that, you know, things just start to work better.

Adrienne MacIain 40:43

I call that synchronicity. Once you open yourself up to it, it's like, these things just start to show up in your life. I think it was Douglas Adams, he's a cartoonist, he's the one who wrote Dilbert. And he tells this story about, you know, he went to some class or read a book, I don't know which, that suggested write down on a piece of paper I think it was like 40 times a day what you what you want to create. And so he wrote down I am a famous cartoonist, just over and over and over again. And lo and behold, he became famous cartoonist. And he said, You know, I can explain that away by saying, Oh, then my mind was more, you know, focused on that, and so I saw more opportunities and went through those doors. But the bottom line is, it works. So who cares why it works? It works.

Ana Levin 41:31

Exactly. Yeah. Well, that's how we get in our own way. You see, we go to our head. And that's why trusting in the power of your heart means not knowing precisely, perhaps yes, but maybe not, where you're going. Just what's your desire? What's your heart's desire?

Adrienne MacIain 41:49

Yeah, learning to let go of the outcome. Just hold that outcome really lightly and say, Here's, you know, here are my core desired feelings, here's where, you know, here's, here's my ideal scene. Universe, take me there!

Ana Levin 42:04

Yes. Exactly.

Adrienne MacIain 42:06

Trusting that journey?

Ana Levin 42:07

Yes. And sometimes it looks different than what we envision, but also trusting that that is, it has a higher purpose. You know, there's a reason why it might look differently and just accept it, receive it, you know?

Adrienne MacIain 42:23

And I think, yeah, that's the point. It might look differently, but you can feel that it's the right thing. You feel that, you go, oh, there's that feeling. And that's why it's so important to connect the feeling with it. It's like, don't just visualize, you know, oh, here's this beautiful space, feel what it feels like to be in that space. That's where the magic happens.

Ana Levin 42:46

In order to do that, we really have to stay, be quiet. The first thing that we need to do is allow ourselves to be quiet. People often say, the people that are really closed up, there's, they'll say to me, I don't even know how to feel, I don't even know what I'm feeling. So, baby steps. First of all, breathe. Second of all, close your eyes. Third of all, be quiet. Even if it has to be an hour of nothingness, be quiet. Eventually, you could start hearing, you're going to start listening to your heart, you're going to start to feel, you're going to start to, something is going to happen. I can promise you that. Because it, not because I say it, because there's so many people in history that have done this, right. So, but it starts with actually giving ourselves the space and the opportunity to feel something. We can't think about what we feel. That's what I see a lot. We're thinking about what we're feeling.

Adrienne MacIain 43:49

When I was a teenager, I went through this real kind of crisis, you know, crisis of self. And I would go out on these long hikes. I was in living in Colorado, and so I could hike, you know, up these mountains, like, I'm talking 14,000 feet. I would hike up these mountains, and it would take me all day. And I would force myself not to bring any music, to just have the quiet be there. And at first, it was so hard for me, on a, oh my gosh, it was so painful. I was like, this is miserable, I'm bored, I hate this, I hate everything about this. But then after a while, I got used to it. And then I started to just have this immense calm that would come over me. And it was like, wait, I don't have to be thinking about anything. I don't have to be productive right now. I can just be. And that was this incredible transformative thing for me. I realized that I've been trying to meditate, but all the things I was trying to do, I was still trying to do something. You know? And so that that turned out to be the best kind of meditation for me, was just, you know, kind of forest bathing or hiking and just being out in nature and just letting it flow through me.

Ana Levin 45:20

Yes, yes. What a beautiful, what a beautiful... I wish we were in Colorado now, and we could do the podcast just walking.

Adrienne MacIain 45:27